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Saturday, May 11, 2013

NFL, Premiership Looking To Start U.S. Pro Competition


The Guardian's Tom Dart is reporting that Premier Rugby Limited (the folks behind the Premiership) and a U.S. firm, RugbyLaw, (NOTE: the NFL is only involved in broadcasting) are set to potentially form their own pro rugby competition of six teams based on the East Coast. The plan involves having an American Barbarians team take on London Irish in Gillette Stadium in Boston on August 10th and then a return match against a yet to be determined team at Twickenham a week later. The hope is to draw 30,000 fans to the match in Boston. If they can do that, the organizers will likely go ahead with the pro competition that would be housed in NFL stadiums. The match in Boston would be aired on the NFL Network while the match in London would be aired on BT Sport.

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The plan also calls for the Barbarians side to be a mixture of established guest names with further players selected from a summer combine and month-long training camp. No national team players will be involved, which makes sense considering that the Twickenham date conflicts with World Cup qualifying. According to the event promoters, the idea is to target players that didn't make it into the NFL and train them to be rugby players.

The fact that they event has the backing of both the NFL and the Premiership is a good sign that the event will happen. But it certainly doesn't come without questions. Getting 30,000 fans to Gillette Stadium would be a major accomplishment, although certainly doable with the NFL's marketing resources. A crowd that size would be the largest ever to watch a rugby match in the United States. Plus there is the question of whether fans would be turned off in what would certainly not be a pretty game of rugby. Unless the promoters are targeting players with rugby experience, the U.S. side would likely commit error after error, resulting in slow play and an unattractive product. There is also the question of whether London Irish wants to commit its best players to a match in which the opponents don't know the rules, potentially resulting in injury.

Still, if the match were to be a success (which we hope it is) and the league were to proceed, it would be a major boost to rugby in the United States. Having a professional league of any kind would help boost the quality of players in the U.S. and help the overall development of the sport. It would certainly target potential players for the Eagles, although U.S.A. Rugby are understandably wary of the idea.

Why would the NFL and the Premiership want to get involved in such a project? As always the answer comes down to money. It's not the first time the NFL has tried to tap into the rugby market. Everyone knows they were signed on to air the ill-fated Grand Prix 7's. They need more product for their network, especially in the spring. They also would be able to take advantage of all the players not in the NFL but still with a lot of talent. Using NFL stadiums would also be fairly cheap and would add revenue in the offseason. Remember, many of these stadiums only have a handful of american football matches a year.

For the Premiership it offers a chance to break into the U.S. market while sharing the costs. It also would potentially provide a new source of gifted athletes. Samu Manoa is the perfect example of a player they see as an athlete that can be turned into a star. Of course Manoa had plenty of rugby knowledge before joining Northampton. Finding these athletes and increasing their revenue stream is becoming ever more crucial for the Premiership as they fight with the Top 14 for players.

Will it work? It's far to early in the process to judge, but the idea certainly faces obstacles. That said, if it does work, and again we hope it does, it would be a game changer for the U.S. and could vault them into being a real world contender.

UPDATE: Check out this great follow-up piece from Dart.

20 comments:

  1. If they go ahead as planned, using mainly ex-college football players, this sounds like a great "development" league but not one that should be the face of rugby in the United States. Maybe not a bad thing, as it would still allow for a professional West Coast league based on pre-existing talent.

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  2. I'm pretty sure that instead of recruiting former football players to learn and play rugby, they're more than likely going to scout all of the local clubs across the country first.

    While the NFL getting involved does sound good in theory, I have my concerns, especially when it comes to the direction of rugby in America. While they do have those mighty resources, the direction American rugby goes may not be the one that's best for developing our grass roots players who (as of late) are showing tremendous ability and promise against competition overseas: http://usarugby.org/mens-all-americans/item/hsaas-finish-first-day?category_id=426

    The last thing I would ever want to see happen to American rugby is what's happening in the French Top 14: Every club shelling out lots of money to have the biggest names in rugby from all over the world playing for them at the expense of not developing their homegrown talent. While this topic alone can span hours of debate, the bottom line is there's a problem in between the Top 14 and the French Rugby Federation...and the entire rugby world knows it.

    The NFL getting involved is a double-edged sword. It could be really great or not so great. Just my opinion.

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  3. Davey makes a good point about the NFL being a double-edged sword. Unfortunately, someone like the NFL is absolutely needed to make a professional competition happen. Rugby people just don't have the pull here in the United States to get it done all by themselves. A heavy hitter is needed. We've seen it too many times with various pro rumors that bite the dust within months. They just don't have the connections stateside to turn heads.

    Short term, we may see much of what Davey predicts. But, the NFL is all about making money and they will figure out fast that developing rugby talent in college, high school, and youth will be their long-term pipeline to making tons of money. Look no further than the development pathway for football. The NFL invests a lot of money that trickles down the pathway.

    Rugby could be a massive win for the NFL and a way to keep their fans engaged while the NFL season is dormant.

    To answer the first comment. I wouldn't expect the NFL to fund a "second fiddle" competition. If they're going to hit up NFL owners to buy franchises, play in NFL stadiums, and invest in broadcast then they are going to be in it all the way. This isn't going to be a developmental proposition.

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  4. why only nfl stadiums? if north hemp games are barley drawing just over 10k and super rugby around 15-20k who says American rugby can draw 30k per game? that's a little out there don't you think? I agree with usa rugby, backing it slowly just in case.

    I see where the idea of having two media giants come in can seem like a good idea but let me just say, nfl network had a contract with the AFL (arena football) for two years and the same mentality was more content in the off-season of the nfl would mean more money and more exposer, but really they did nothing for an already establish football league and cut the contract after 2 years.

    do I think this is a great idea? yes and no. do I think they should in clued at lest 1-2 west cost teams? yes. should they start small with crowd sizes? yes

    if they go through with this, there is a lot ridding on this weather people believe it or not. for to long we have been hearing whispers of a "pro" league coming soon. so if this things goes forward and breaks down after one game or doesn't getting going after all then its a step backwards for rugby in usa. with only going east cost you close off great clubs and fan basses to those in the west, sfgg-ombac-opsb-denver-glendale. rugby fans may not be as large as the top 3 leagues in the usa but we are not stupid ether. saying they have to draw 30k is pretty big bet, what if only 15k show up? what then. will nfl still go through with this? and what if owners are only bringing in 10k ave. a game ? are they going to be happy to have a 60k (+) stadium but only have barley a third filled? I think having nfl owners and giving them the option to play games in there own stadium should be the deal. if there is a more smaller realistic sized stadium in there area, why not pay the small rent and use it. (if not youll get a early mls looking like league with large empty seats.

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  5. It is clearly a way to generate revenue for NFL owners during a time frame when they have little to nothing going on in their stadiums. If they draw 15k each game it is still more than what they'd get out of an empty stadium. As long as they're not losing money.

    The east coast bias is likely the Premiership influence. Guessing there will be lots of cross promotion between the two if it happens. Once is settles, I'll be surprised if it doesn't start moving west. Then again... maybe the west coast can have SANZAR? They only seem interested in teams located out west. Although knowing the NFL, they hate competition and will go to great lengths to secure their interests.

    So many questions, so few answers. I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

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  6. in the long run I think we can all agree that any form of "pro" rugby in the states will be a good thing, rugby is in a boom right now and we need someone to finally step up and make things happen. this could go horribly wrong or this could be the next big thing since rugby turned pro. around the world.

    my last question would be what of Canada? a joint venture between usa and Canada rugby would be greatful

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  7. My point with my original comment is that even though the NFL will look at this as a top-level league, they can't achieve that if they focus more on converting football players to rugby than bringing in established rugby players. I think a lot of rugby fans (that is, not the football fans that the NFL is hoping to turn into rugby fans but the people already paying attention) would see a competition with our top domestic players as being a superior league than one full of football converts.

    Now, if the NFL strikes the right balance between the two, this could end up being the best option of all current proposals. And having re-read the article it sounds like they will. I guess then the fear is that the NFL doesn't just pull the plug if they feel like it's not working like they did with NFL Europe.

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  8. In my opinion, if the NFL wants to do this properly they should start with all of our local DI clubs (from Belmont Shores all the way to New York RC) and, depending on how each club is structured both monetarily and as an organization, offer them the resources needed to go from amateur to professional.

    We already have the talent primed and dreaming for this kind of an opportunity. If structured and financed properly, we could really make something special here. Easily something along the lines of the RFU or the NZRU but only--and I do mean ONLY--if it's done right with the right people in place.

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    1. My opinion is the NFL should hire Dan Lyle, quickly. #PeopleWhoMakeStuffHappen

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  9. NFL has been trying to Export American Football for a while in search of globalizing the brand, they probably cant grow anymore in the US. But building up Rugby in the US helps their 'global' efforts and its far cheaper to develop Rugby in the US than to ship the Giants and Patriots to London, Tokyo, whatever....and Rugby's 'product' will be in the 2016 Olympics, could convert over Football fans.

    They are also aware of players like Ebner, Isles, hayden Smith, and others who make the jump between sports fairly easily, a top athlete can figure it out. Still more competition for the National teams vs. club contracts, the NFL would laugh at the stipends athletes get.

    No downside to the NFL, all upside long term to growing the US game if more people see it - why would you want to play football vs. Rugby if money is not part of the equation. Why would you sell cars vs play Rugby if you were a 24 yr old on the draft bubble?

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    1. You might not get the same money that an NFL athlete does, but you'd get better money than selling cars and endorsements to boot!

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  10. im assuming in the coming weeks and next few months (mid july the latest) we should see advertisement ,websites , ticket sales and possibly merchandise, tv commercials coming out if this game is suppose to be a big hit for the NFL.

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  11. I think one problem in the American Rugby Community is we jump to conclusions because we have been burned in the past so many times by talk of professional rugby in the US.

    Why don't we wait till more concrete details emerge before jumping the gun and debating what will be good or bad about this particular plan.

    No matter what your opinion on the subject is, everyone seems to want professional rugby in the states in some shape or form. Lets see if this actually leads to anything... fingers crossed.

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  12. When the NFL gets behind something, every sportswriter in america will know about it.

    The promoter may have the NFL Networks interest in broadcasting free content. But I feel that if the NFL was putting $$ into it, we wouldnt find out via the Guardian in the UK.

    What would be cool is if there were a global provider of 'contact sports' content. E.g. carry the NFL, NRL, Pro12, Super15, Top14, NCAA football, college rugby, etc. 24x7. This may happen someday when cableTV is unbundled and I dont have 9 channels of ESPN that I really dont watch, and can pick and choose my passions to play on my box.

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  13. This is Mac Robertson with RugbyLaw, the creator, producer and promoter of the Independence Cup event. We must be clear our association with the NFL is a NFL Network carriage agreement. What we plan on using are underutilized large stadiums off season and also the thousands of basically unused talent coming from the NCAA Div I schools. We are very excited and look forward to an exciting summer.

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    1. Mac, You just need to send Ted Hardy your contact info now (oh, and hire him to do PR so we can get him out of the bus and into the stadia!). He'll do a great piece on what you are actually doing and how it will work.

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  14. Yes, Mac we would love to do a piece to clear the air with fans. Everyone is very excited at the prospects but there are some concerns given our history of being tantalized with pro rugby rumors. Many are also worried about bypassing homegrown rugby talent for college football players.

    You can reach me at [email protected]

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  15. I agree with grant above. ted would be great for PR department! my only question remaining is why hasn't the NFL or nfl network released anything yet? seems that every other sports news media network has produced a article or little blurb ( and this goes for ESPN, not espn scrum)but nfl has yet to announce anything?

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  16. I would like this site to make the necessary corrections - which I have said prior. The NFL is not involved. We, RugbyLaw, do have a NFL Network agreement and thta is the sole participation of the NFL. We do understand the romance of what a perfect fit NFL and rugby union is - but I hope this column and writer relay the truth. RugbyLaw has a partnership with the Aviva PRL. I am availabel to any in the press to discuss our project. Mac Robertson

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  17. 30,000 in Boston would be great. I understand that the East Coast has more rugby teams, but Chicago has a larger percentage of players and Houston has had the two largest crowds for a rugby match ever in the U.S.--18,000 last year when USA played Italy and 20,000 this years when USA play Ireland. These Houston matches had very little advertisement. With NFL backing the crowds can only get larger. So I hope this works as I'd like to see the league expand in due time.

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